That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. No way. so which one is it????? But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. She was found guilty. Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. As for where he is now, well be honest, were not completely sure. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. As for Diane, give me a break. Until the end of the trial. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Therefore, it is hard knowing where he is right now, considering his low profile of keeping away from the spotlight. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. It was faulty. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? So until today, people still don't know much about him, and his whereabouts remain a mystery. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. View theaffidavits. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. Seriously. Not our place to decide. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. It is not clear whether he still resides in Arizona, where he started his relationship with Diane those many years ago. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. Simply because I researched them. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. This is Budhu's story, as told to Kelly Burch . I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. What was the rationale behind this? GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. At the very least, she should have been released by now. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. When they graduated from high school, the two reunited and rekindled their love despite their brief separation. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. We make them president. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? 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Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. How about dads side of the family? At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. Downs: And there was a big reward, too. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. In addition to treating brain cancer, he works toward health equity. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. This is also what the state did to her. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Diane followed the detectives to their car. And their plan worked. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. I know that most people think she is guilty. It isnt there all the time. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. It does not get any bigger than this. I would say so. Did Danny Downs, Steve Downs' son, remain paralyzed? Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. Danny and Christie survived the attack while middle child, Cheryl, died from her injuries at the time. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. It was not the right gun. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Jesus Ortiz Paz's parents, net worth, wife, and daughter. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. It was never a slam dunk. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? Steve and Diane Downs' children were adopted by Lane County prosecutor Fred Hugi and his wife, Joanne. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Diane is not a killer or a liar! So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. Then they just got shut out. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. I wish she could get a new look. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. 1st, you came back from a trip? Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Ive done my research. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info? Is there any update? After all, many cases of domestic abuse and even neglect do stem from alcoholism or drug abuse. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for6 monthsin 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. Wasnt it speculative on their part? They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. This whole case is flawed. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. They would have tried to reopen the case. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. However, Steve later discovered that Danny wasn't his biological son and divorced his wife. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative But Diane couldnt do that. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). The most exciting thing about Steve is that he never appeared in public despite the immense case against his wife. Why? And she should be allowed parole! Hugi did not want that. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. Despite all these misgivings, they chose to stay strong in the marriage and had their first child, Christie Ann, in 1974. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. The unicorn, the song, her personality. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. I am pointing them out. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. They were treated very badly in this matter. And the motive? It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. why didn't steve downs get custody. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. 4. PAY ATTENTION: Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed, Get the news that matters from one of the leading news sites in Kenya, Kenyans Share Hilarious Memes, Frustrations as KPLC Announces Nationwide Power Blackout, Xtian Dela's Mum Cries Bitterly As She Begs Son to Come Home, Says She's Not Seen Him in 4 Years, Linet Toto's Dowry: 7 Delectable Photos from MP's Negotiation Ceremony, Couple Lose KSh 3.4m on Their Wedding After Guests Don't Show Up: "So Heartbroken", Little Girl Begs Man on the Road for Money, Video Surprises Many, David and Rebecca Muir wedding, relationship, and family, Who is Lil Meech's mom? (Yes, speculative). But what happened to Diane Downs' husband? They never tried to reunite them with family. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. Diane Downs is no exception. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. Another significant development about the children is that Danny is great with computers but is still paralyzed from the bullet that hit his back but is leading a regular life. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Nevertheless, when Diane came back to Arizona, the pair united, and soon, on November 13, 1973, to be exact, the couple tied the knot. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? However, he had no interest in taking care of Dianes children. The case of Diane Downs and her three children is one of those a horrible tragic case that people still think about 37 years later. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. The mommy murderess pulled her car over the side of the road and shot her three young children in the backseat. Christie and Danny have no contact with their father, and they have completed their education. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Unfortunately, he hasn't been as outspoken as people expected, considering the gruesome details of the crime committed by her ex-wife. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. In this Battle of Cutthroats, Who has lost their head? Imagine the ones there for years. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Whats more intriguing is that even after Diane became the prime suspect and lost custody of her surviving children, or when she was convicted, the kids didnt go live with Steve; they were adopted by the lead prosecutor in Dianes case. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. Unfortunately, Danny Downs was permanently paralyzed from the waist down because of a bullet injury in his back. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. Mission accomplished: Relevance? Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her.
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